Curse

Misa · Sep 16, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Why waste so much human resources to "undo" things that are so meaningless such as tiny changes on an ele's lips and eyes...... Most of them look fine and even better to me. Anet did a nice job adding new features and people should seriously stop whinning about these small changes and move on.

The only 3 screenshots I feel they have the right to cry are ducky ele lips, crying panda-eye mesm, and the "too much drug" mesm faces.

Cherrie · Sep 16, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

well how about my rotting-teeth mesmer http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=67 ... She hasn't improved since the update at all, still looks like she lacked basic mouth hygiene and I really really hate that... Can I please get her teeth back to some normal healthy color please?

And no I'm not exaggerating, she looks like that in every possible lightingh fromn every possible angle that shows the space between her mouth.

Hyper Cutter · Sep 16, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Moiax

This may be another topic, but why do the tats always reset to default colors after logging the character out?

Don't know, but it happens a lot to my necro for some reason...

Darth Marth · Sep 16, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Misa

Why waste so much human resources to "undo" things that are so meaningless such as tiny changes on an ele's lips and eyes...... Most of them look fine and even better to me. Anet did a nice job adding new features and people should seriously stop whinning about these small changes and move on.

The only 3 screenshots I feel they have the right to cry are ducky ele lips, crying panda-eye mesm, and the "too much drug" mesm faces.

I'm assuming my Mesmer's case is one of the last two. You'd have to be blind to call his change tiny.

Lady Lozza · Sep 16, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

I agree that the mesmer's teeth really do need to be fixed. A male warrior, fine, but we all know that mesmers actually have some concept of personal hygiene, leaving the poor girl with teeth like that is just an insult both to the person and the profession.

In other news, I've not had a problem with the "new" look, all it looks like is that the res has been cleaned up in the face textures. With the notable exceptions of the over-enhanced lips and a couple of others who showed obvious changes, I think a good few people in the thread are overreacting, the pics they post show clarity and not much change.

Lynxius · Sep 16, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Don't know, but it happens a lot to my necro for some reason...

Happens to my monks tats as well.

Darth Marth · Sep 16, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Lynxius Pardonus

Happens to my monks tats as well.

Same. But this is minor; if my Mesmer only looked disturbing on the char select screen, I wouldn't be complaining.

AJM · Sep 16, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Yeah, the mesmer thing is not only ugly, it's baffling. What caused. So the lighting on the eyes is fixed? I am grateful for that, thank you ANet. But now can you fix the lighting on the necks of countless male mesmers? It's obviously not 'fixed' in its current state, I'm afraid... if lighting has no effect on this shadow thing ringing the bottom of male mesmers' heads while lighting on most other faces had been improved, it's broken. I'd like to be even more grateful!

As for the warrior bald spots... I'm still eagerly waiting on that one with crossed fingers. It's 15 months overdue for a fix! I've been asking about a fix for it for months now, and I know I'm not the only one.

Anyway, good work so far, my character's faces haven't changed much, but I think it's for the better, and it seems that way for most (but clearly not all) faces. I'm sure it's very difficult getting all this just right. I don't expect perfection, but I'm confident ANet can address most of the complaints in this thread.

ducktape · Sep 17, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Ombrepierre

I agree, and hope that the thing is possible...
I understand the last message of Gaile. The light of original model was an error. But for a lot of players, the characters seemed with their advantage.
So, the Frostlight's idea would allow to satisfy all the community : try to find the original design (before the last update of the 9/15) with good lighting on eyes and lips...

Yes, that would work very nicely. I understand they were trying to help by fixing the lighting beneath the eyes, but unfortunately that makes it LOOK like most characters are wearing eyeliner now, even if the art team did not add eyeliner or anything to change the eye art. That's what's pissing people off. So if fixing the lighting bug makes the eyes appear to have heavy eyeliner, and people are complaining "hey I didn't pick loads of eyeliner, please make it go away!" perhaps they should change the art so that it looks eyeliner-free with the new fix to the eye lighting.

What people are essentially asking for is to make their characters look the way they did before the face updates, which is not unreasonable, especially if all they have to do is remove whatever detail is making it look like the character is wearing eyeliner. Not that hard. They do still need to fix the duck-lips and the faces that continue to have the runny-mascara effect in direct light, that's just awful and hideous, and they should fix it unconditionally.

One more thing, I would like to post my assassin

She used to have this nice smirk that I enjoyed, now she doesn't really have a facial expression. If her lips were closed a bit more it would help.

I'm pretty lucky, the only changes I got were more eyeliner on my warrior and my ele, and an open mouth on my monk and assassin, on which it only looks unpleasantly different for the assassin. The 2nd face update did fix this problem with my warrior where there was a bunch of pink stuff around her eyes and her lipstick was kind of orange, but now she looks much better and only has the eyeliner issue; my ele's faces was also very pointy and narrow but got fixed, so thanks! I am personally not crushed over the addition of what appears to be eyeliner on my characters that got it, but on some other faces I've seen it does look bad, and it especially looks bad on males, so if they undo the eyeliner look that's totally fine with me.

Kityn · Sep 17, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

These pics show my problem with my warrior. Her mouth never used to be open. And I doubt anyone would say she looks fine. Looks like she was beaten with the dumb stick. I just want her mouth closed like it was before. Does not matter what lighting I use her mouth still looks like that under every condition. I do not have any before pics. Wished I did.

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw055vx8.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw058ev0.jpg

Have to click on the pics a few times to get max resolution.

Gaile Gray · Sep 17, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by deathnite

i found an error on some ele faces but not all of them, i checked the face under different lighting and it doesnt go away, this must be a facial error tho, on the top upper portion of the lips its really really choppy, the first pic and second one are under different lighting too, please fix this

....the choppiness wasnt here be4 the update and i dont see why lips should be choppy for any reason :\

Thank you for your image examples. I'll bundle them into a new packet of screenshots for the Art Team, to save them time in reviewing any possible glitches.

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Interesting: Gaile completely dodged the "stylist" question making only a mention that it's not an issue of... Let's try again worded differently out of respect for another person rather than a customer and fellow gamer: To Gaile G. or Alex W. - Since the new looks on the character may not appeal to some people (fellow indiviudals who share a game interest); is Ant planning on adding in the feature to enable changing the character looks? This is a highly requested "feature"* and now would be a great time to add it in.

Answered earlier. This is not something that we can offer at this time, even while we appreciate the popularity of the request. There is a very focused design list, and with Nightfall less than six weeks away, we cannot divert the significant resources that a "face changer" element would require in order to offer it.

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Originally Posted by Cherrie

well how about my rotting-teeth mesmer http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=67 ... She hasn't improved since the update at all, still looks like she lacked basic mouth hygiene and I really really hate that... Can I please get her teeth back to some normal healthy color please? And no I'm not exaggerating, she looks like that in every possible lightingh fromn every possible angle that shows the space between her mouth.

I understand. I will pass along your example, too.

And luinks, you almost gave me a heart attack with that "enhanced" image. You rascal.

AJM · Sep 17, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Thank you for your image examples. I'll bundle them into a new packet of screenshots for the Art Team, to save them time in reviewing any possible glitches.

Thanks a million, Gaile! My kingdom for you if that bald spot goes away!

Gaile Gray · Sep 17, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by AJM

Thanks a million, Gaile! My kingdom for you if that bald spot goes away!

Have you tried the "growover thing" You know, the guy with the three hairs that are 17 inches long, which he winds around and tries to cover... aw, never mind.

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Originally Posted by koa_Torqual

Please A-Net don't blame consumers for your mistakes. No company that does this is ever right.

Honestly, koa-Torqual, I'm quite sure that we are not doing so! We had mistakes in the faces, and they were corrected as quickly as humanly possible. I think a few errors remain, and I have every confidence that they, too, will be corrected. But we can't roll back time if that means closing mouths that have been readied for the much-requested feature of speech, nor add back a lighting error that overlighted the lower lids, or that makes the art look different then, and now.

I really do understand that some characters look different than what you originally chose. I totally understand that you might have made a different choice if you had been able to see the real art, and not the bugged one. I love the new eyes; I totally and completely understand that some of you do not.

I don't want anyone to think we're less than sympathetic with this situation. As I have said, I care about my characters' appearance a lot and I feel what you feel! But the alternatives being proposed by the community are not do-able. If we reasonably could add such options, we would, but truly they are not possible. With respect, as I stated a day or two ago, we will continue to address errors, but must ask for your understanding about the changes that will remain.

AJM · Sep 17, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Have you tried the "growover thing" You know, the guy with the three hairs that are 17 inches long, which he winds around and tries to cover... aw, never mind.

No, haven't seen that yet, which town is it in?

Skids · Sep 17, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

It seems to me that I detect a change of tone as Gailes posts progress through this thread. Whilst I can sympathise that it is frustrating to be "faced" with so many complaints when you are trying to implement a beneficial change to the game, its worth realising that some may only have just noticed changes, and a lot of us are feeling even more annoyed by the people posting to say "stp complaining - the faces look ok".

@ Gaile: I do not see why the lighting cannot be changed back. Please could you explain why this cannot be done, if this is the main reason for the facial changes?

You say that the lighting is changed to correct an eror that has been around for a while, but lets be honest about this; none of us players knew the lighting was wrong did we? Its therefore not so much an error as a change for the sake of it.

Scenario: I buy a nice car with what the dealer says is a Sunburnt Red paint finish. Im perfectly happy with it and drive around for a while. then the dealer contacts me and says I have to return it because the colour of the car is in fact Suntanned Red. They give me a new car that is Sunburnt Red but I like the original car better because I got used to it.

Kedlai Everwinter · Sep 17, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by czymann

These pics show my problem with my warrior. Her mouth never used to be open. And I doubt anyone would say she looks fine. Looks like she was beaten with the dumb stick. I just want her mouth closed like it was before. Does not matter what lighting I use her mouth still looks like that under every condition. I do not have any before pics. Wished I did.

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw055vx8.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw058ev0.jpg

Have to click on the pics a few times to get max resolution.

Seconded, close mouth please!

Honestly though, Gaile, is it -really- that much of a big deal to close mouths slightly, to move them back closer to what they used to be like? I know that it's not possible to make them exactly as they used to be.

In other words: is it -impossible- to close the mouths again?

That said, I'm not normally one to gripe, and -please- don't think I'm complaining, I'm simply seeking clarification

As for the obligatory compliment: The new eyes look damn nice.. my character has these beeeaautiful brown eyes now o_o

EDIT: Actually, I just loaded up GW and had another look at Ked, her mouth seems to have been closed a bit more (It's still slightly open, but not the :B look previously). I guess it's just time for me to get used to the new face!

Lynxius · Sep 17, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

The player Comunity apreciates the fact that some faces got corrected.

However, its amazing how this particular 16 month's issue was utterlly ignored(because I posted it here in this same thread,before, along with another player having the same problem) and still hasnt been fixed:

Baldness aint my thing.

Even still, ive waited since i created this character, which was 15 months ago, for this minor anoying problem (which isnt satisfying at all, seeing your character with a bald huge spot on the head each time he walks) to be fixed.

Il stop posting here concerning this particular problem for now, at least until this problem is heard, and that the player comunity is told that a fix is on its way.

And what makes me think Arena Net will even take what I just typed into consideration?

Nothing, but i might as well try my best to help notice the anet team on certain minor things(which do matter alot, after all, detail is For the Win) they should improve/fix, for the good of the whole community of this wonderfull game called Guildwars.

I hope I was clear, and formal enough for your understanding, Miss Gray.

Regards.

-Lynxius

deathnite · Sep 17, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Thank you for your image examples. I'll bundle them into a new packet of screenshots for the Art Team, to save them time in reviewing any possible glitches.

ty gaile

Thallandor · Sep 17, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Answered earlier. This is not something that we can offer at this time, even while we appreciate the popularity of the request. There is a very focused design list, and with Nightfall less than six weeks away, we cannot divert the significant resources that a "face changer" element would require in order to offer it.

I am glad you pointed this out.

Though personally i did not suffer too badly from the face updates, and would be buying Nightfall purely from what i have read from PC gamer, But i am not too sure about those whose characters has now been suddenly and abruptly distorted after playing them for so long about their inclinations for the next chapter since players have been known to leave games at the wimps of lesser things.

Your honesty is appreciated yet how this will affect sales only time will tell.

Sooner is better than Later is all i have to say about the face changer issue.

Lynxius · Sep 17, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

I am glad you pointed this out.

Though personally i did not suffer too badly from the face updates, and would be buying Nightfall purely from what i have read from PC gamer, But i am not too sure about those whose characters has now been suddenly and abruptly distorted after playing them for so long about their inclinations for the next chapter since players have been known to leave games at the wimps of lesser things.

Your honesty is appreciated yet how this will affect sales only time will tell.

Sooner is better than Later is all i have to say about the face changer issue.

Correct.
As i mentioned earlier, small tiny Details do matter a whole lot, and they can indeed ruin gameplay, and therefore, give a bad first impression on future sales.